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« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2006, 07:09:34 pm »
Are you honestly going to argue that we should take final results as the ultimate determination of a team's strength!?  Teams get lucky, others don't
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« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2006, 07:33:09 pm »
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Are you honestly going to argue that we should take final results as the ultimate determination of a team's strength!?  Teams get lucky, others don't


I am not arguing that a regional's final results should be the sole determination, however, in this instance two OSU teams qualified over Kenyon.  Are you attmepting to tell me that OSU was lucky enough to pull two silver bids over "supposedly more deserving" Kenyon, and that Kenyon was unlucky enough to go, at best, 4-4.  (I really believe that this had nothing to do with luck)

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« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2006, 08:18:00 pm »
Miami has a hell of an advantage due to side constraints and OSU the same--hence their untimely getting into silver flight.  One of the teams that got into silver nationals, I believe 307?, i beat while on a bye buster team comprised of mostly Cincinnati kids.
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« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2006, 08:24:24 pm »
I think that I can say, having hit both 995 and 993, (in fact 995's only loss was to us but thats a different story) that both teams were decidely deserving of a place at nationals, allthough 993 didn't get one. Additionally I think that based on what I saw the best teams at the tournament got the bids, I have seen Kenyon earlier this year and honestly I think that they have been more impressive in the past, I don't have the tab summary with me but I seem to recall observing that they had oppoturnities to advance based on the pairings that they had. I also don't think that it is fair to make the claim that OSU didn't deserve their bids, they clearly put up preformances worth of 4.5 wins while many other teams failed to do so. Additionally the argument that Miami was more deserving of the two sliver bids over OSU doesn't seem to hold a lot of water. First, if you look, even if 993 and 994 were to recieve sliver bids OSU 308 still would have recieved a bid. Secondly, had Miami recieved the bids then Bowling Green would not have had the oppurtunity to advance. Our team had 506 in round one and I was very impressed with their presentation, they definatally deserve to advance. I also agree with the argument made by UMCane*GWB, the fact that our team had to go against two MU teams in a row definatally hurt our preformance. While we split with both teams I would say that it is extremely difficult to take two ballots from Miami (as evidenced by the fact that no team managed to do this). All in all I am extremly satisfied with the results and the bid allocation.

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« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2006, 08:25:58 pm »
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Miami has a hell of an advantage due to side constraints and OSU the same--hence their untimely getting into silver flight.  One of the teams that got into silver nationals, I believe 307?, i beat while on a bye buster team comprised of mostly Cincinnati kids.


I highly doubt that this was at this regional since there was no bye buster and cincinnati was not there. Also, you may notice that 307 did not advance.

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« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2006, 08:29:46 pm »
Are you telling me that the only reason Miami and OSU took bids from the Hamilton regional is because they had a lot of teams, therefore their teams could not hit one another?  I have a hard time believing that four MU teams (which have always had a strong showing) and two OSU teams took bids solely because they had an advantage from having a lot of teams at the regional.  If it is your contention that other teams deserved those bids, then why did they not win the ballots necessary to get them?  

I understand the advantage you claim that these teams have, however, in order to win a team still has to take ballots and if MU and OSU win more ballots, then they DESERVE to make it beyond regionals.

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« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2006, 08:32:42 pm »
Actually Ohio State 307 did not recieve a bid, they did go 4-4 and that's after taking a ballot from Miami 2. We all understand the subjectivity of this competition and the rules regarding bids.

The 2 teams that did get bids, Ohio State 308 and 309, went 4-3-1. 308 faced Miami 1, Dayton 1, and Miami 3, 309 Miami 2, and Dayton 1.

308 is composed mostly of sophomores and no one on 309 had previous college mock trial experience. 5 of the 6 of them are freshmen.

I'm on the team, they've worked very hard this year. We know we have a reputation to fight against but we'd appreciate it if our accomplishments are not consistantly demeaned by anonymous posters on message boards.

We're big fans on Kenyon, we wish they would have scrimmaged us this year too. We're also looking for teams to scrimmage next year. We're serious about Mock Trial, we work really hard and are always looking for people to scrimmage the club's email is OhioStateMockTrial@gmail.com.

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« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2006, 08:42:55 pm »
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I'm on the team, they've worked very hard this year. We know we have a reputation to fight against but we'd appreciate it if our accomplishments are not consistantly demeaned by anonymous posters on message boards.

We're big fans on Kenyon, we wish they would have scrimmaged us this year too. We're also looking for teams to scrimmage next year. We're serious about Mock Trial, we work really hard and are always looking for people to scrimmage the club's email is OhioStateMockTrial@gmail.com.


Classy post, and absolutely correct. I believe some of you out there were out of line with your comments about OSU ...
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« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2006, 08:43:42 pm »
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I'm on the team, they've worked very hard this year. We know we have a reputation to fight against but we'd appreciate it if our accomplishments are not consistantly demeaned by anonymous posters on message boards.

We're big fans on Kenyon, we wish they would have scrimmaged us this year too. We're also looking for teams to scrimmage next year. We're serious about Mock Trial, we work really hard and are always looking for people to scrimmage the club's email is OhioStateMockTrial@gmail.com.


Classy post, and absolutely correct. I believe some of you out there were out of line with your comments about OSU ...


Yeah, just a bit . . . .
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« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2006, 08:45:47 pm »
Especially because it sounds like several of these people either were not at the regional or did not hit OSU. Even if you saw them earlier this year, that doesn't really give you a basis to say that they haven't improved or didn't deserve bids.

It's pretty classless to suggest that any team doesn't deserve a bid.

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« Reply #40 on: February 19, 2006, 09:14:56 pm »
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Especially because it sounds like several of these people either were not at the regional or did not hit OSU. Even if you saw them earlier this year, that doesn't really give you a basis to say that they haven't improved or didn't deserve bids.

It's pretty classless to suggest that any team doesn't deserve a bid.


I have to agree, I remember teams making vast improvements from fall invites to regionals.  Much can change in the span of a few months.
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« Reply #41 on: February 19, 2006, 09:30:12 pm »
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« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2006, 09:38:43 pm »
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LOL ... I think there were second thoughts about the post
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« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2006, 12:12:00 am »
If you feel that it is classless, when attacked, stating my opinion that is fine. My sole opinion was that Miami 993 was great, and that I felt they deserved a bid, based on the fact that they ranked high, over OSU.  My opinons were that of the ranking and the fact that teams that placed higher cannot get a bid simply because they go to a school with many teams and a strong mock trial program.  I think all of you misinterpreted my suggestions of OSU.
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« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2006, 12:19:25 am »
Doesn't Miami send their top teams anyway, independently of the regional finish?
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