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Nur Rauch

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Re: Milwaukee Regional
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2008, 12:23:20 pm »
Has it occurred to you that some people know the rules very well and are able to come up with objection arguments in trial, and still speak smoothly?

Perhaps that did occur to him; perhaps it didn't. I don't think a new team should be expected to harness such a strategy very effectively in four weeks, however.
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Re: Milwaukee Regional
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2008, 12:25:28 pm »
I don't have a problem with a new team not knowing how to argue objections effectively.  I just take issue with the assumption that if a team does sound good arguing objections it's because they "memorized answers to every possible objection."
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Re: Milwaukee Regional
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2008, 12:29:31 pm »
My team didn't do bad considering we started preparing just 4 weeks before the competition. I for example had never even said the words "mock trial" until around 4 weeks ago and I was one of the three lawyers for the team. On a substantive level we were as good if not better than half of the teams, however we couldn't hyper-memorize everything and thus were marked down, and also had trouble with some objection battles. Didn't have the time to memorize every possible argument to every possible objection.

I completely agree with QQ. Mock Trial is absolutely not about memorization and recitation. In fact, it's about knowing the issues well enough that you don't look like you're reciting your affidavit/prepared DX. Like QQ said, if you know the rules well enough, you know when to apply them, how to argue them, and how to whether or not you win the objection look good doing so, which is more important if you ask any judge.

Focus on knowing the rules in and out, not necessarily memorizing them, just what they mean, what each infers, what is required for certain rules i.e. expert testimony, foundation for hearsay exceptions, etc... No attorney is ever going to know every objection possible, and therefore every answer, so the prudent and well-prepared attorney simply is very familiar with the rules themselves.

Anyway, great to see that you guys did so well with little preparation. I hope you felt that your hard work was rewarded, even though you may not have qualified for Nationals.
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Re: Milwaukee Regional
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2008, 12:37:40 pm »
Has it occurred to you that some people know the rules very well and are able to come up with objection arguments in trial, and still speak smoothly?
I have no doubt that many talented mock trial-ers are genuinely quick on the mind but most of it comes with months of preparation, anticipating objections and knowing exactly what to say to each of them beforehand.

Many attorneys I went up against had their canned objection rebuttal and then when I argued again they stumbled in trying to think of something else to say, obviously showing how lack of preparation hurts an attorney more than anything else.
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Re: Milwaukee Regional
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2008, 12:42:15 pm »
Anyway, great to see that you guys did so well with little preparation. I hope you felt that your hard work was rewarded, even though you may not have qualified for Nationals.
Hey thanks. I had more fun this weekend than I ever had in many years. I kinda sucked the first day, then completely reworked my opening statement and my Don Fracis direct and did much better the next day. All that matters to me personally is that I saw what went wrong and then worked with my witness until 2:30am to correct those mistakes and perfect the performance. I honestly don't care if we went to nationals or not, all that matters is that it was fun and a huge learning experience.

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Re: Milwaukee Regional
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2008, 12:47:52 pm »
I honestly don't care if we went to nationals or not, all that matters is that it was fun and a huge learning experience.
The essence of mock trial. Great to see. Also, if this is one of your first years, and you plan on competing in the future, don't plan of getting many 7-8 hours of sleep the nights in between rounds. That 2:30am reworking is as much mock trial as anything else, but it's always worth it... unless you were re-working a witness that got stolen... :mad:
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Re: Milwaukee Regional
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2008, 12:53:11 pm »
Many attorneys I went up against had their canned objection rebuttal and then when I argued again they stumbled in trying to think of something else to say, obviously showing how lack of preparation hurts an attorney more than anything else.

To be sure!  In that case, I'm confused as to why you would be the only ones to get marked down for not being polished when the other team wasn't either.  I'm glad to hear that you had fun!
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Re: Milwaukee Regional
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2008, 04:46:09 pm »
To be sure!  In that case, I'm confused as to why you would be the only ones to get marked down for not being polished when the other team wasn't either.  I'm glad to hear that you had fun!
Oh, sorry if I was confusing. I meant lack of preparedness in memorization of the opening/closing and line of questioning.