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  • #16
    Originally posted by bdopl View Post
    Georgia State had the toughest strength of schedule Iíve seen in a long time, at a regional; which included Georgia Tech A and B. I canít imagine the feeling of coming off a nats year, only to not qualify out of regionals the next year because of some luck. That CS of 24 is insane.
    Tough tough way to go out. At a certain point you have to pick up some ballots to one of those good teams though, or else why are you even going to ORCs.


    From a quick scan from previous years tab summaries and just my memory, I think 21/22 is the highest CS from a team that still earned a bid from Regionals.


    Also, does anyone have any insight this Liberty team? 8-0 with a pretty good schedule is impressive

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    • #17
      Pitt A was very close to nationals last year too, which makes this weekendís result even more bizarre.

      Georgia State had great placements in their two most recent tournaments. I wonder if it was just a bad weekend for them.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by brass_monkey View Post
        Also, does anyone have any insight this Liberty team? 8-0 with a pretty good schedule is impressive
        Yeah, I can't seem to find any tournament results from them. All I know is that liberty is a huge Evangelical school in VA, and evangelical schools I've never heard of tend to do well in AMTA.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Random View Post
          Pitt A was very close to nationals last year too, which makes this weekendís result even more bizarre.

          Georgia State had great placements in their two most recent tournaments. I wonder if it was just a bad weekend for them.
          Pitt A has been a ballot away from Nationals for a few years now. Two years ago, they had 3 ties at ORCS. One more point on any of those ties and they made it.

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          • #20
            I noticed that in the Tempe tab summary, Northern Arizona and the bye bust team are both listed as having dropped both ballots by one the first round, and also apparently hit team 9999. Does that mean that Northern Arizona and the bye bust hit each other and hit all loss, or is it just a typo?

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            • #21
              I'm not sure about the team 9999 thing, but both teams losing by 1 is something I have seen tab rooms do for all loss. 9999 seems like something weird.

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              • #22
                They clarified in the tab notes that due to weather, Norther Arizona wasn't present for rounds 1 and 4. Them being there brought the tournament into an odd number of teams creating the need for a bye buster. The -1 -1 vs. 9999 just means those teams did not exist in those rounds.
                Last edited by Ali Thomas; February 18th, 2019, 01:23 PM.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Ali Thomas View Post

                  Yeah, I can't seem to find any tournament results from them. All I know is that liberty is a huge Evangelical school in VA, and evangelical schools I've never heard of tend to do well in AMTA.
                  I hit Liberty my senior year at Richmond Regional in 2017. They struck me as the kind of the program that would be good in 2-3 years once they picked up all the overdone mock stuff that plays well in the southeast. Iím happy to see them doing so amazingly.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by mango
                    Also looking at Tempe. Why would ASU (with a record of 6-0 coming out of round 3) hit SDSU (with a record of 2-4 coming out of round 3) in round 4? Seems a little strange to me.
                    Idk what the actual pairing situation was but I'd assume ASU was D1 going into low/high pairing in round 4 and there was some sort of impermissible that brought SDSU up into the primary bracket?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Ali Thomas View Post

                      Idk what the actual pairing situation was but I'd assume ASU was D1 going into low/high pairing in round 4 and there was some sort of impermissible that brought SDSU up into the primary bracket?
                      That wouldn't be an impermissible, but rather an uneven bottom bracket on sides. For example, 5 teams that need to go plaintiff and 3 teams that need to go defense. The first option is to take teams from the top and put them in the bottom bracket, but you can't do that if the team is within 1 win of the last in record (in Tempe that was 4 wins, so a 3 win team had to stay in the primary bracket.) That would mean that a 2 win team goes back up from the secondary to the primary so that they have an even number of P and D teams.
                      I post in my personal capacity, not on behalf of AMTA.

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                      • #26
                        Week 2 Regionals Review Post

                        Summary

                        Most predictable tournaments - Chapel Hill, Columbus, Williamsburg
                        Most surprising tournament - New Haven
                        Most surprising team result - Yale A

                        Unpredicted Teams
                        Liberty A
                        Florida State C
                        Georgia D
                        Nebraska A
                        Cornell College C
                        Quinnipiac
                        UMass., Amherst A
                        Colby A
                        Connecticut A
                        Connecticut B
                        Williams A
                        Arizona State B
                        UC San Diego C
                        Michigan State B
                        Hillsdale B

                        Predicted Teams Out
                        Washington & Lee A
                        Pittsburgh A
                        Georgia State A
                        Kansas A
                        Yale A
                        Boston University A
                        Pomona A
                        Rochester A


                        Chapel Hill
                        Liberty A**
                        Georgetown A
                        North Carolina A*
                        George Washington A
                        Duke C*
                        Florida E*
                        American A

                        *In from predicted "Bubble"
                        **Unpredicted in

                        Out from "First in" prediction:
                        Washington & Lee A


                        Columbus
                        Illinois, Chicago A*
                        Penn State A
                        Ohio State B*
                        Patrick Henry A
                        Ohio State C*
                        Patrick Henry B*
                        Penn State B*

                        *In from predicted "Bubble"
                        **Unpredicted in

                        Out from "First In" prediction:
                        Pittsburgh A


                        Jackson
                        Florida State A
                        Georgia Tech A
                        Georgia C*
                        Florida State C**
                        Georgia D**
                        Auburn A*
                        Georgia Tech B*

                        *In from predicted "Bubble"
                        **Unpredicted in

                        Out from "First In" prediction:
                        Georgia State A


                        Lawrence
                        Northwestern A
                        Illinois B*
                        Northwestern B*
                        Nebraska A**
                        Central Missouri*
                        Cornell College**
                        Illinois A

                        *In from predicted "Bubble"
                        **Unpredicted in

                        Out from "First In" prediction:
                        Kansas A


                        New Haven
                        Bowdoin A*
                        UMass., Lowell A*
                        Brown A
                        Quinnipiac**
                        UMass., Amherst A**
                        Colby A**
                        Yale C*
                        Vermont A*

                        *In from predicted "Bubble"
                        **Unpredicted in

                        Out from "First In" prediction:
                        Yale A
                        Boston University A


                        New Rochelle
                        Harvard A
                        Brown B*
                        Tufts A
                        Connecticut A**
                        Connecticut B**
                        Williams A**
                        Wesleyan A
                        Wellesley A*

                        *In from predicted "Bubble"
                        **Unpredicted in

                        Out from "First In" prediction:
                        None


                        Tempe
                        Arizona State B**
                        USC A
                        UCLA A
                        USC B*
                        UC San Diego B*
                        UC San Diego C**
                        UC Irvine B

                        *In from predicted "Bubble"
                        **Unpredicted in

                        Out from "First In" prediction:
                        Pomona A


                        Williamsburg
                        Virginia A
                        Johns Hopkins A*
                        Richmond B*
                        Rutgers B*
                        William & Mary B*
                        Virginia B
                        Georgetown B*

                        *In from predicted "Bubble"
                        **Unpredicted in

                        Out from "First In" prediction:
                        None


                        Ypsilanti
                        Michigan A
                        Eastern Michigan A*
                        Michigan State A*
                        Michigan C*
                        Hillsdale A
                        Michigan State B**
                        Hillsdale B**

                        *In from predicted "Bubble"
                        **Unpredicted in

                        Out from "First In" prediction:
                        Rochester A

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                        • #27
                          So I know we have the tab summary, but does anyone know what actually happened to Yale A?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by happygolucky View Post
                            So I know we have the tab summary, but does anyone know what actually happened to Yale A?
                            Might be a P side weakness combined with a D side strength for Colby. The result against BU A shouldnít be too surprising given that BU A is also a good team and commonly those types of rounds result in splits.

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