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  • #16
    Earning a bid is of course nothing to scoff at, but I'm looking at this from the perspective of where everyone thought the program would be. No one would have thought Stanford would be saved by their B team (although, I've heard their all-freshman B team is spectacular). I would agree that OSU is "as loud as they come", but their style is very different from that of Stanford. Stanford acts with aggression, while I find that OSU's volume is based more in confidence than arrogance. Just my opinion based on what I've seen of them this year. I think this distinction is what made OSU dominate and Stanford falter.

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    • #17
      Once again, Stanford did not "falter", they had 12 wins as a program vs. OSU's 14. They had the same amount of wins as a program as Northwestern so like idk why this is an issue

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      • #18
        I don't think it's so much an issue with Stanford "faltering" as it is just pointing out that Stanford A dropped some ballots to some questionable teams. Having seen both OSU and Stanford, I would tend to agree with MarciaClark; from what I saw, Ohio State was very loud, but that played out as just having more confidence rather than being aggressive. I noticed that they didn't have a tendency to interrupt witnesses, and in general, their demeanor, though loud, was very clean and matter of fact.

        Stanford, like most of the West Coast, tends to have a more aggressive crossing style that's more than just being loud. Presentationally, I do think that there's a distinct difference between OSU's loud but very matter of fact style and Stanford's loud but more aggressive style that played differently with the Geneva judges. Ofc, I am basing this off of only a few rounds that I was able to see, so I could be wrong but regardless, I think it's clear that both teams are very clean and are strong final round contenders.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by adamsel View Post
          Once again, Stanford did not "falter", they had 12 wins as a program vs. OSU's 14. They had the same amount of wins as a program as Northwestern so like idk why this is an issue
          Exactly. Distinguishing between OSU and Stanford is a useless exercise. How is this discussion not centered around the east and west coast powerhouses not advancing to nationals (for the first time, basically ever?). They of course remain stellar programs, but I would like to hear some specifics about their weekends rather than chatting about how loudly Gineva contenders spoke.

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          • #20
            It is like everyone forgot that mock trial is a subjective activity.

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            • #21
              I scouted the Stanford round against Denver and was frankly shocked to see the result. In my humble opinion it was a clear win in their favor, and I found myself thinking that Stanford could be a championship round contender for Philadelphia. They were clearly well-practiced but still believable. It may be worth noting that I am from a program considered geographically "southern" but I saw no issues with their presentation style coming across aggressive. I also scouted Ohio's round against North Central and enjoyed their presentation style, with exception of their witness lineup who were too combative for my taste.

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              • #22
                Unless I am doing the math wrong, there seems to be a clear defense bias in the case again (aside from R1 in Santa Monica and R4 in Cedar Rapids).

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